- Over the years, users have been sharing their success using
TRADING RECIPES publicly: in newsletters, Internet forums,
Usenet newsgroups, Web-boards, mailing-lists etc. Here follow reprints
and extracts of such commentary that we have collected, presented in
reverse chronological order, some of it dating back in 1994.
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"I'm a Trading Recipes user. I'm a rabid enthusiast; heck I
bought a second computer whose ONLY purpose is to run Trading Recipes,
I love it so much. It's a great program.
TR is backtesting tool that lets you try out various systematic
trading ideas *AND* position sizing ideas, on historical data. But
it's so much more advanced than the usual competitors (xxadestation,
yyetastock), that it'll make your head spin:
(1) TR is designed from the ground up to trade a PORTFOLIO of
securities. None of this one-market-at-a-time baloney that other
software packages enforce.
(2) TR has a dozen builtin "money management" (position
sizing) functions, letting you carefully incorporate risk, margin,
#longs (vs. #shorts), grouprisk (grains, meats, currencies etc), total
portfolio heat, and so on. Find *ANY* other software that does this --
I haven't.
(3) TR lets you trade several different systems at the same time, out
of the same account. For the moment, consider only the universe of
vendor systems; TR lets you simulate what happens if you trade Chuck's
Prudent S&P, along with Catscan, Aberration, Benchmark, and The
Turtle System, all at once. Does the equity curve smooth out? Do
returns increase while drawdowns decrease? Does it pay to add more
systems to the mix? (answers: yes, yes, yes)
I bought Trading Recipes in 1995 and have kept it in continuous use
ever since. I used it to test over 100 combinations of
(system-of-entries-and-exits) plus (position-sizing-algorithms), until
I found one that was a good match for my own personality and emotions.
It took me a long time to do all these tests, but the result has been
that I am completely overjoyed with my real-time, real-money results,
trading in reality what I tested in the computer using Trading
Recipes.
Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Trading Recipes or with its
vendor, Bob Spear, except as an EXTREMELY satisfied customer. "
-- M.J. Tuesday, January 9, 2001
"Recipes is far superior. I have used Trading Recipes and Trade
Station for about 5 years. I have also used Rina Systems quite a bit
as well. Basically Trading Recipes is a MUCH faster and FAR SIMPLER
way to do portfolio analysis. Recipes lets you test your entire
portfolio all at once, Rina requires that you individually test every
market in your portfolio first and then export them to a file and them
pull them back into the Rina program. A test that would take a few
minutes in Recipes could easily take several hours with Rina (I'm not
kidding!) Also, after you have done your testing Recipes calculates
all of the important studies for your portfolio, max draw down,
graphs, profit distributions etc. Rina requires you recalculate for
each one of these. The bottom line is that if you want to get the job
10 times faster with 10 times less frustration (and system crashes)
then use Trading Recipes. I began using Trading Recipes many years ago
when one the "Market Wizards" from Jack Schwagers book
recommended it to me, I've loved it ever since." -- D.H.,
Mon, December 18, 2000
"Since early January of 2000, this series of postings has
described my project developing a fixed-fractional position-sizing
strategy. I explained how I have developed the money-management
methods I have been using in real time trading individual markets. In
the last installment of this series, I announced that I was starting
work on stage two of the project, the portfolio-testing stage, because
I now have TRADING RECIPES --the only commercially available program
for such testing.
[..]
In sum, Trading Recipes has given me the means to finalize development
of my fixed-fractional strategy. Without it, I would be flying
blindfold. I will be exploring alternative strategies that use a
different fraction (f) for each market. I will report on any
significant findings. Otherwise, consider this post the last of my
Two-Stage Position Sizing series" -- P.W., Wed June 28,
2000
"I saw some of the postings re: Trading Recipes. I've been using
this software since late 1992. The benefits of backtesting not only
trading systems, but portfolios using money management strategies
cannot be over-emphasized. I spent two years developing both trading
systems and money management strategies before putting real money at
risk, and every single minute of those two years was well spent! I
wrote several articles for Technical Analysis of Stocks and
Commodities (Mar/Apr 94) based on some of the work I had done at the
time." -- A.J., Sun February 20, 2000
"I know S&P 500 traders with about 50 pages of EL code for
their system, knowing every move (real or fictitious) tick-by-tick of
price movements, etc. There is a TV announcement and Secretary of
State starts his speech with word "Unfortunately ..." and
S&P500 drops billion points. Since then there are
"famous" traders only trading the index on short side.
[...]
As a portfolio manager, you write a "four line" Donchian
code and apply it to 150 markets. You don't pay attention to details
of individual trades. You develop a total measure of
"risk-adjusted return". Then you make changes to your
system, apply it to your portfolio, and watch a couple of numbers
coming out of your box. They measure your performance.
[...]
If you are a corporate style trader then you will be using tools like
TradeStation. If you want to trade as a fund manager, you have go
through a complete metamorphosis to enter a new brave world of
portfolio trading. Here you absolutely need a tool like the Trading
Recipes." -- I.D., Fri Feb 11, 2000
"I read lots of books, fooled around with differential equations
on the blackboard, and started to program up some geometric betting
algorithms into Trading Recipes.
[...]
As those of you who have read the other Club 3000 issue (#99.04) know,
I finally settled upon a betsize algorithm that includes
dollar-distance-to-my-stoploss (which I define as my risk per
contract, "R1"), semi-fixed-fractional betting, and variable
aggressiveness which depends upon equity.
THIS IS THE "SECRET" OF HOW I WAS ABLE TO MAKE MONEY USING A
VENDOR-SUPPLIED MECHANICAL SYSTEM: BETSIZE SELECTION.
In fact, about 18 months ago I wrote a message on the omega-list that
showed test results for three different mechanical systems, but using
identical geometric betsize selection. All three made huge profits!
One was a good system (Aberration), one was average (Market
Annihilator), and one was below average but profitable (Virtuoso). The
size of the profits varied a bit, but all of them did very well,
handily beating "buy and hold the S&P 500" by a
substantial margin.
The "magic", if there is any, isn't in the entries and
exits. The magic is in the betsizes." -- M.J., May 24, 1999
"Like the other authors, I too am a delighted customer and user
of Trading Recipes. I use it for position trading employing end-of-day
data. (My datafeed is Technical Tools Chartbook95).
I don't happen to like the phrase "money management" -- to
me it sounds like the advice you get on Wall Street Week with Lumpy
Rutherford: put X% in gold, Y% in real estate, Z% in stocks, and the
rest in AA rated municipal bonds. But what's going on in futures
trading is different: you're trying to figure out what size positions
to take. So rather than calling it "money management", I
will say "betsize calculation".
And Trading Recipes is simply the best there is, at betsize
calculation for futures trading. It lets you trade multiple
commodities out of the same account, and apply the same betsizing
rules to all. For example, this idea is easy to try out in TR (and
impossible in Omega products):
Risk 2% of equity on every trade, BUT don't let my total risk exposure
exceed 30% of equity, AND don't let my exposure in any one commodity
group (grains, meats, currencies, oils, etc) exceed 15% of equity.
Further, Trading Recipes lets you trade several SYSTEMS out of the
same account, each system trading (if you wish) multiple commodities.
So you can test the following idea:
Trade "UniversalLT" and "Catscan" and
"Aberration" out of the same account. Risk 1% of equity on
every trade that Aberration takes, 1/2% on every trade that Catscan
takes, and risk a fixed $500/trade on every trade that UniversalLT
takes. But never let my total risk exposure in any one commodity
exceed 3% of equity.
Trading Recipes has builtin functions that let you take trades AT
RANDOM, for example to test entries or exits all by themselves. You
can finally test that system Larry Williams keeps talking about, enter
at random and then exit on the first profitable open.
I have programmed the "ROI" betsize calculation algorithm of
Rumery and Lehman's "Performance One" package, into Trading
Recipes. It takes one line of code. Except that I am
obsessive-compulsive about code so I add two more lines to find and
fix situations in which it *might* take the square root of a negative
number, and two more lines to find and fix situations in which the
calculated number of contracts to trade is not an integer. But, five
lines of code ain't so terrible; remember that TradeStation can't do
this at all.
Sure it's a DOS program. Low-res graphics. Clunky spreadsheet user
interface. GREAT analysis. This program has helped me study betsize
selection algorithms more thoroughly than any other tool, and I am
sure it gets credit for a large part of my trading success." -- M.J.,
Tue October 27, 1998
"This is a great product. The guy who who invented the product is
now trading a sizaable portfolio. I have seen traders make money
because you can trade and money manage an entire portfolio. When this
product you can toss TS and merely use the Net for quotes. This
product is not for Day Traders. It is more for traders who understand
and wish to grasp the importance of portfolio management.
I have a profile of a trader who uses Trading Recipes. No, folks, he
is not in the seminar circuit. And I have all his trading statements.
And the good news you do not have to learn a new trading
language." -- Neil
Weintraub - CME teacher, Monday, October 26, 1998
"Anyone has experience with program "Trading Receipes"
which may lead some close to Holy Grail ?
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>Believe this is a difficult 'clunky' program with outstanding
insights.
Trading Recipes is certainly not the "Holy Grail" nor does
it have any outstanding insights per se. It is however, in my opinion,
the best program for backtesting on EOD data. It doesn't have the
flexibility of TS and can only accept daily data, but it also doesn't
have many of the idosyncracies of TS. Trading Recipes only uses daily
data, so many may not find it of much use. It's most unique feature is
the ability to incorporate money management logic on a portfolio
level. This opens up whole new worlds and is like seeing in color
after seeing only in black and white looking at single tests. I think
the Omega "Portfolio Analyzer" will allow you to do similar
things, but it seems to be a work-around rather than an elegant
solution. Trading Recipes is a DOS program and is "clunky"
compared to new windows programs. But it is also lightning fast. I'm
mainly a stock trader, so I like to test trading strategies over
several hundred stocks. I could care less what the results of INTC or
MSFT are individually, which TS can tell me. I want to know what my
equity curve looks like when I'm trading INTC,MSFT, and a half dozen
other things at the same time, which is what Trading Recipes can tell
me in a heartbeat. It is expensive, but for some people, especially
more hard-core backtesting types that aren't scared of a little
programming, it may be just the thing." -- L.McW. Monday,
October 26, 1998>
"Bob Spear of RW Systems in Houston sent a demo disk for TRADING
RECIPES. It shows you what kind of output his toolbox provides as well
as some examples of how a trading system is programmed. This is a very
powerful piece of software and provides the user with a graphical
overview of the results in addition to the customary table of
performance figures.
You may be aware that my personal preference is to put together my own
system from scratch. Actually, I started out in 1977, before there
were personal computers and commercial trading software. MS-DOS was
nothing but a gleam in Bill Gates' eye. I had a Data General NOVA
computer (with 16K memory!!!) that remained after I had sold my
company and, since I had always been intrigued by computer monitoring
of the markets, I started out revamping my very successful inventory
control system for equity markets. Both inventory and market action
are driven by supply and demand, The hardest part was programming the
bookkeeping module, without which you are flying blind. I did OK with
puts and calls in the stock market and got involved with futures
several years later, also successfully. Very successfully, as a matter
of fact.
I don't know where Bob Spear was at the time or what he was doing, but
a copy of TRADING RECIPES would have been a godsend, particularly
since it addresses the vital money management issue. I spent hundreds
of hours, ratcheting up from a rudimentary program to one that
accurately monitored performance and graphed the price curves, entry
and exit points, stops, the individual and total equity, but did not
get into money management until late in the game.
There is a good feature about designing your own system. If something
goes wrong, you don't have to get mad at a vendor, you can just look
in the mirror and then go back to the drawing board. (Just be sure
that you get enough good sleep.) It is a lot of fun to think about
trading strategies, getting up every morning with your head full of
ideals, programming them and seeing the results. Strangely enough, the
seemingly "most sensible" ideas don't work at all.
If you have a taste for this kind of activity, you can't do any better
than Trading Recipes. Bob Spear has a solid reputation for supporting
his customers, according to what I hear from members. Trading system
ideas are available in several books, by LeBeau/Lucas, Murphy, Pardo,
Sherry, Wilder and countless other." -- Bo Thunman,
Editor of Club3000 Newsletter, 94.15 p8 - 1994 - Reprinted with
permission
"I am one of the original purchasers of a portfolio-level testing
software program by the name of TRADING RECIPES. This is my 15th year
of active part-time futures trading. Like many other members, I
believe that I have read about and/or tried just about every
systematic mechanical trading method that has come down the pike, with
mixed (but always educational and many times expensive) results.
I can say without reservation that TRADING RECIPES is the most
valuable trading tool that I have ever had. I have used the program
every trading day for about two years now and I have written several
profitable trading programs. But more importantly, I have been able to
construct an entire trading methodology that suits my individual
wants, needs and trading style. This program is so complete and so
fast, I sometimes wonder how I ever did testing or even trading
without it.
And the vendor - Bob Spear - is truly a gentleman. He has always been
helpful when I call with questions. He is a trader himself and
"speaks the language".
I was completely satisfied with the version that I had been using, but
I recently purchased the latest update because it has a new graphics
module and some other useful features. I might also add that some of
the public-domain systems that he includes as examples are really very
good and historically test and walk forward very well.
There is also an example of a simple money management program that is
hard to beat - you just plug in your dollar amounts and percentages
and you can test any trading rules with any money management rules
that you can think of, for any portfolio, for any or all of your data,
all in a matter of minutes. It's really amazing!
If you are a serious end-of-day, data update, run your analysis, place
your orders for the next day, position trader like I am, do yourself a
favor and contact Bob Spear about a demo disk. He and the TRADING
RECIPES software receive my highest recommendation." -- Bob
Aughey, Club3000 Newsletter, 94.11 p3 - 1994 - Reprinted with
permission
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UNIQUE FEATURES
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TRADING RECIPES is the only language
driven software that lets you track a portfolio of many
markets (futures, stocks, mutual funds etc) traded with many
systems, in dynamic interaction.
This means you can simultaneously test across multiple markets
while constantly adjusting position size to total equity and
risk.
As you will see, analysis at the portfolio level opens
up striking opportunities. In effect, you can choose a rate
of return appropriate to your risk tolerance and
capitalization.
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The SIMULTEST mode lets you
simulate trading multiple systems simultaneously. For
instance, you can test trading an S&P system, a bond
system, and a currency system together. Each trade generated
will, of course, be passed through your Money Management
Ruleset. You can get some really extraordinary results from
using this technique!
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What if your system started out
with a huge drawdown? The WORST CASE ANALYSIS tells you
what to expect. This feature pinpoints the greatest percent
drawdown, the minimum percent win/loss ratio, and the maximum
required capital. TRADING RECIPES goes from trade to trade
progressively using each trade's execution date as its
STARTDATE, rerunning the Portfolio Report beginning on that
date. You gain a remarkable amount of confidence in your
system if it can pass this gauntlet. If the system was curve
fit, even accidently, it will not pass.
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